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- CHRIS HEDGES: I certainly knew after 15 years at The New York Times that running around on national television shows denouncing the war in Iraq was, as a news reporter, tantamount to career suicide. I mean, I was aware of that. And yet, you know, as Paul Tillich writes about, you know, "Institutions are always inherently demonic, including the Church." And you cannot finally serve the interests of those institutions. That for those who seek the moral life, there will always come a time in which they have to defy even institutions they care about if they are able to retain that moral core. And in essence, what, you know, The New York Times or other institutions were asking is that I muzzle myself.
- BILL MOYERS: But all institutions do that, don't they?
- CHRIS HEDGES: All institutions do.
- BILL MOYERS: Intuitively or explicitly.
- CHRIS HEDGES: That's right. And I think for those of us who care about speaking, you know, the truth, you know, or if you want to call it dissent, we are going to have to accept that one day, that's gonna probably mean a clash with the very institutions that have nurtured and supported us. And I have been nurtured and supported by these institutions.
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